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	<title>Comments on: Bridging the Digital Generation Gap</title>
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		<title>By: susan</title>
		<link>http://techne.edublogs.org/2008/05/19/bridging-the-digital-generation-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, thanks for your post, which reflects much of my own thinking this year in an independent PK-12 school. Our students bring laptops to class each day. Those teachers who employ good classroom management techniques--and effective teaching strategies--have great success. Some students have a greater knowledge of internet tools, but most learn with the teacher when it comes to using web 2.0 tools in the classroom and how to organize and use information on the web. As the instructional tech coordinator, I try to shift the focus from tech to teaching and learning. I even want to change my title to something involving &quot;literacy specialist&quot; to effectively frame the thinking. Labeling people does tend to divide and give reason for others to become defensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, thanks for your post, which reflects much of my own thinking this year in an independent PK-12 school. Our students bring laptops to class each day. Those teachers who employ good classroom management techniques&#8211;and effective teaching strategies&#8211;have great success. Some students have a greater knowledge of internet tools, but most learn with the teacher when it comes to using web 2.0 tools in the classroom and how to organize and use information on the web. As the instructional tech coordinator, I try to shift the focus from tech to teaching and learning. I even want to change my title to something involving &#8220;literacy specialist&#8221; to effectively frame the thinking. Labeling people does tend to divide and give reason for others to become defensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nugent</title>
		<link>http://techne.edublogs.org/2008/05/19/bridging-the-digital-generation-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nugent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 01:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,

Thanks for your thoughtful comment here, I&#039;ll try to clarify my thinking a bit here in response to your views.

I would agree that critical thinking on and about the web does require similar abilities and attributes as does thinking critically on and about the newspapers or books in a library. The issue for me is one of transferability in different media. I think there has been, as you&#039;ve indicated, focused effort on the part of educators to sort through the issues of critical thinking - about text - for over a hundred years. My point is that not much of what we&#039;ve learned in this context directly transfers to thinking about web-based media.

I&#039;ve witnessed K-12 through university teachers - skilled critical reasoners in their disciplines - at a loss for explaining how web-based search works, how to determine the author / owner of a web page, how authenticity and authority for web-based information are determined. The most fundamental skills of critical thinking in text-based media don&#039;t automatically transfer to our thinking on / about the web. However, I think they can be significantly improved through effective teaching.

So, I think adding the &quot;web&quot; as a qualifier is important when we talk about critical thinking because it points to a shift in medium and the application of skills in a different context. I&#039;m suggesting that we might benefit from considering how critical thinking can be understood based the specific medium we find ourselves engaged in.

Thanks for stretching my thinking on this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful comment here, I&#8217;ll try to clarify my thinking a bit here in response to your views.</p>
<p>I would agree that critical thinking on and about the web does require similar abilities and attributes as does thinking critically on and about the newspapers or books in a library. The issue for me is one of transferability in different media. I think there has been, as you&#8217;ve indicated, focused effort on the part of educators to sort through the issues of critical thinking &#8211; about text &#8211; for over a hundred years. My point is that not much of what we&#8217;ve learned in this context directly transfers to thinking about web-based media.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve witnessed K-12 through university teachers &#8211; skilled critical reasoners in their disciplines &#8211; at a loss for explaining how web-based search works, how to determine the author / owner of a web page, how authenticity and authority for web-based information are determined. The most fundamental skills of critical thinking in text-based media don&#8217;t automatically transfer to our thinking on / about the web. However, I think they can be significantly improved through effective teaching.</p>
<p>So, I think adding the &#8220;web&#8221; as a qualifier is important when we talk about critical thinking because it points to a shift in medium and the application of skills in a different context. I&#8217;m suggesting that we might benefit from considering how critical thinking can be understood based the specific medium we find ourselves engaged in.</p>
<p>Thanks for stretching my thinking on this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Allan</title>
		<link>http://techne.edublogs.org/2008/05/19/bridging-the-digital-generation-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 08:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tena koe Jeff.

I am so glad to read what you say of the use of terms like digital-native and NetGen.

You ask some profound questions. Critical thinking, as a feature, is less of a skill or art than an inherent ability. It is probably more akin to capabilities such as musical ability, physical agility or mental astuteness.

And though it can possibly be optimised through training and practice (by whatever means), critical thinking cannot be improved significantly if the ability is not there in some substantive shape and form in the first place.

I’ll stick my neck out on this one and say that thinking critically on and about the web requires similar abilities and attributes as does thinking critically on and about the newspapers or books in a library for that matter. Teachers have been pondering over how these (latter) abilities and attributes could be brought to the fore for over a hundred years.

Using the word ‘web’ tends to confuse the issue, or state it in such a way that diverts attention from the important question: &lt;i&gt;what does critical thinking look like&lt;/i&gt;?

Ka kite
from Middle-earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tena koe Jeff.</p>
<p>I am so glad to read what you say of the use of terms like digital-native and NetGen.</p>
<p>You ask some profound questions. Critical thinking, as a feature, is less of a skill or art than an inherent ability. It is probably more akin to capabilities such as musical ability, physical agility or mental astuteness.</p>
<p>And though it can possibly be optimised through training and practice (by whatever means), critical thinking cannot be improved significantly if the ability is not there in some substantive shape and form in the first place.</p>
<p>I’ll stick my neck out on this one and say that thinking critically on and about the web requires similar abilities and attributes as does thinking critically on and about the newspapers or books in a library for that matter. Teachers have been pondering over how these (latter) abilities and attributes could be brought to the fore for over a hundred years.</p>
<p>Using the word ‘web’ tends to confuse the issue, or state it in such a way that diverts attention from the important question: <i>what does critical thinking look like</i>?</p>
<p>Ka kite<br />
from Middle-earth</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nugent</title>
		<link>http://techne.edublogs.org/2008/05/19/bridging-the-digital-generation-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nugent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michele, thanks for your thoughtful comment. Your thought of the questions framing a bit of the larger issue of what it means to be &quot;literate&quot; in the 21stC. is something I had not considered...so, excellent point.

Thanks for expanding my thinking about this. Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michele, thanks for your thoughtful comment. Your thought of the questions framing a bit of the larger issue of what it means to be &#8220;literate&#8221; in the 21stC. is something I had not considered&#8230;so, excellent point.</p>
<p>Thanks for expanding my thinking about this. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Michele Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, this makes a lot of sense to me. I&#039;ve found that the Millenials are not necessarily more skilled in using technologies than Gen X-ers or others. In fact, they may be less skilled in using certain tools. My DigGen daughter (20 years old at NYU) just started blogging this year. She doesn&#039;t have a Twitter account, doesn&#039;t know about del.icio.us and doesn&#039;t use an RSS reader. All of this to say that talking about technology differences based on age is pretty useless in terms of predicting people&#039;s levels of engagement and knowledge. 

To your larger point that talking this way creates an us/them mentality, I think this is very true. And frankly it&#039;s one that exists already in the &quot;teachers vs. students&quot; divide that I think we also need to be addressing. I like your questions and think that they put all of us in the position of needing to think through how these tools and processes impact our learning. This is part of the larger issue of looking at what it means to be &quot;literate&quot; in the 21st century, something that I think is an issue for everyone, not just students in a classroom. 

Thanks for sharing this experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, this makes a lot of sense to me. I&#8217;ve found that the Millenials are not necessarily more skilled in using technologies than Gen X-ers or others. In fact, they may be less skilled in using certain tools. My DigGen daughter (20 years old at NYU) just started blogging this year. She doesn&#8217;t have a Twitter account, doesn&#8217;t know about del.icio.us and doesn&#8217;t use an RSS reader. All of this to say that talking about technology differences based on age is pretty useless in terms of predicting people&#8217;s levels of engagement and knowledge. </p>
<p>To your larger point that talking this way creates an us/them mentality, I think this is very true. And frankly it&#8217;s one that exists already in the &#8220;teachers vs. students&#8221; divide that I think we also need to be addressing. I like your questions and think that they put all of us in the position of needing to think through how these tools and processes impact our learning. This is part of the larger issue of looking at what it means to be &#8220;literate&#8221; in the 21st century, something that I think is an issue for everyone, not just students in a classroom. </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing this experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Britt</title>
		<link>http://techne.edublogs.org/2008/05/19/bridging-the-digital-generation-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Britt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I was there, let me start by saying that you nailed what happened.  In retrospect, I should have remembered that Mike Wesch felt obligated to put out a &quot;clarification&quot; after the video first aired, as many faculty had negative reactions to the students - a reaction he (and you) did not expect.  See http://mediatedcultures.net/ksudigg/?p=124 for Mike&#039;s comments, which I think align with yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I was there, let me start by saying that you nailed what happened.  In retrospect, I should have remembered that Mike Wesch felt obligated to put out a &#8220;clarification&#8221; after the video first aired, as many faculty had negative reactions to the students &#8211; a reaction he (and you) did not expect.  See <a href="http://mediatedcultures.net/ksudigg/?p=124" rel="nofollow">http://mediatedcultures.net/ksudigg/?p=124</a> for Mike&#8217;s comments, which I think align with yours.</p>
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